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arcanemacabre · Aug 13, 2007, 05:35 AM // 05:35

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Originally Posted by Hlaford

Woo Against! And Arcane, as far as I know, the items were sold To people, for items/ money, no game generated income.

And how do you know that the people you know that did it are the only ones that did it? Information passes around, and others could figure it out. Besides, you also probably don't know exactly what they did with that "ability". Honestly, what I said is exactly what I would do if I chose to exploit the game and had the bright idea on how to do it. That would be the best way to make a lot of money quickly without anyone noticing.

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Originally Posted by against

I guess you will have to actually look at the gold selling sites. If the price of their gold starts going down, you know the market is being flooded with gold. As of now, it just seems like an influx of Armbraces.

Good point. Time will tell. Hell, this would be more profitable than botting - there may be a few gold sellers taking advantage of this if the knowledge became spread to such individuals.

ANTICANCER · Aug 13, 2007, 05:35 AM // 05:35

damn i hope they stay then i could get my tormented sword.

against · Aug 13, 2007, 05:36 AM // 05:36

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Originally Posted by Martin Alvito

Anyone know enough about the item code in GW to know whether or not the duped items are traceable as derived from the same source?

(ie: does each dropped item get a unique bit of code when it drops that permits tracing duplicated items, or did ANet fail to plan for this due to storing everything server side?)

If I had to guess, stackable items have identical code. Non-stackable items seem to be unique. Kind of like two identical weapons can have different face (merchant) value.

Hlaford · Aug 13, 2007, 05:37 AM // 05:37

You can only get 1mil in gold, Armbraces Stack, creating "infinite" money. Plus, I've seen others saying they had duped items. And in my defense I used the words "as far as I know.

Martin Alvito · Aug 13, 2007, 05:39 AM // 05:39

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Originally Posted by against

I guess you will have to actually look at the gold selling sites. If the price of their gold starts going down, you know the market is being flooded with gold. As of now, it just seems like an influx of Armbraces.

You won't be able to tell if the price reduction is demand-side (people get skittish about the GW economy and stop buying gold for a while) or supply-side (gold reseller has a ton of gold that they want to unload rapidly).

arcanemacabre · Aug 13, 2007, 05:41 AM // 05:41

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Originally Posted by Hlaford

You can only get 1mil in gold, Armbraces Stack, creating "infinite" money. Plus, I've seen others saying they had duped items. And in my defense I used the words "as far as I know.

Tis true, but you can then go around and buy ectos or armbraces or whatever, which wouldn't look suspicious if you were manually purchasing the items. Also, like I said, you could sell it using alternate accounts, etc. Why not make real world money doing this, huh? Hell, just making stacks of ecto and buying rare items from other players could've been done on massive scales with little concern.

against · Aug 13, 2007, 05:42 AM // 05:42

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Originally Posted by Martin Alvito

You won't be able to tell if the price reduction is demand-side (people get skittish about the GW economy and stop buying gold for a while) or supply-side (gold reseller has a ton of gold that they want to unload rapidly).

It's supply. The demand aspect doesn't vary enough.

Hlaford · Aug 13, 2007, 05:42 AM // 05:42

Because making real world money is also illegal, but even more so. You are using THEIR software to make a profit.

Martin Alvito · Aug 13, 2007, 05:43 AM // 05:43

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Originally Posted by against

If I had to guess, stackable items have identical code. Non-stackable items seem to be unique. Kind of like two identical weapons can have different face (merchant) value.

True, you'd be able to tell if a high-end weapon were duped with the merch value identifier, similar to D2 (no, I don't want to buy your 224 gold req 9 Runic Blade kthxbye).

If stackables do indeed have identical code.............

Well, let's just say I'm glad I cashed out of all rare materials last month.

Martin Alvito · Aug 13, 2007, 05:43 AM // 05:43

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Originally Posted by against

It's supply. The demand aspect doesn't vary enough.

Normally, true. Right now? Impossible to predict.

Nurse With Wound · Aug 13, 2007, 05:46 AM // 05:46

Wow, so it's been going on for months then ( since they implemented reconnects ). And it was just one money-hungry armbraces dude that raised suspicions, that something is not right. Imagine, how many ppl duplicated stacks of ectos, rare items. Such a failure in a code. LOL. GFG.

AlienFromBeyond · Aug 13, 2007, 05:46 AM // 05:46

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Originally Posted by against

I hope the duped Armbraces are allowed to exist. Nothing would make me happier than to see the Tormented market crash alongside the rising value of Platinum.

Yeah, except these dupers aren't really doing anything that would let the armbraces filter down to the rest of the GW population. They're staying high up in ridiculous trade offers.

Hlaford · Aug 13, 2007, 05:46 AM // 05:46

Again, I already said I have.

arcanemacabre · Aug 13, 2007, 05:49 AM // 05:49

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Originally Posted by Hlaford

Because making real world money is also illegal, but even more so. You are using THEIR software to make a profit.

That prospect hasn't stopped botters, why should it stop dupers? Just another tool (albeit a severe exploit) to acquire gold en masse to sell. I not only see it as probable, but also highly likely.

against · Aug 13, 2007, 05:51 AM // 05:51

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Originally Posted by Martin Alvito

True, you'd be able to tell if a high-end weapon were duped with the merch value identifier, similar to D2 (no, I don't want to buy your 224 gold req 9 Runic Blade kthxbye).

If stackables do indeed have identical code.............

Well, let's just say I'm glad I cashed out of all rare materials last month.

The only material I would be invested in at this point are Diamonds. They are sure to boom because with GW:EN being the last content before GW2, they have to be given a purpose. While people lose interest in NF armors, Rubies and Saphs are sure to drop. Ectos will maintain unless there is going to be harder-to-obtain armor than Obsidian. I've actually been thinking about sinking any of my money exceeding 1,000 Plat into Lockpicks. Their price won't fluctuate at all. I'll also probably be buying more over time anyway.

Evilsod · Aug 13, 2007, 05:52 AM // 05:52

How do we even know Hlaford isn't just making all this up... i mean nobody is actually going to test it out if they're not an Anet employee for fear of getting caught in the web and banned. You don't just come out of the blue and say several people you know do it (conveniently you don't of course) when the penalty is an almost definite perma-ban. Your not gonna get the benefit of the doubt either... your just as much to blame for keeping it a secret when you knew it was a major exploit if it does actually work as you say.

Racthoh · Aug 13, 2007, 05:53 AM // 05:53

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Originally Posted by Martin Alvito

Anyone know enough about the item code in GW to know whether or not the duped items are traceable as derived from the same source?

(ie: does each dropped item get a unique bit of code when it drops that permits tracing duplicated items, or did ANet fail to plan for this due to storing everything server side?)

If it's anything like Diablo II, all they have to do with their stacks is convert them into Torment weapons and there will be way to trace it. Much like in Diablo II you could transmute two duped runes into the next rune up and it would be safe from the scans.

spyke136 · Aug 13, 2007, 05:55 AM // 05:55

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Originally Posted by Nurse With Wound

Wow, so it's been going on for months then ( since they implemented reconnects ). And it was just one money-hungry armbraces dude that raised suspicions, that something is not right. Imagine, how many ppl duplicated stacks of ectos, rare items. Such a failure in a code. LOL. GFG.

i agree forget armbraces, ectos? is this why they randomly went from 10k to 4.5k? did some people just sit around and make an insane amount of ecto and then sold them to trader? what security is there in the economy if there's some people out there minting rare stacks, for that matter what happens when anet delets everything that was illegally generated, how do we know how pervasive this problem has become. for all we know this has been going on since the reconnect feature was added in and now thousands of players may have in their possession some item that was wrongly created, whether it be ectos, shards, rubies, diamonds, sapphires, armbraces (and the weapons they turn into), keys....the list is endless. hell i bet someone is duplicating stacks of creme brulee...

korcan · Aug 13, 2007, 05:56 AM // 05:56

if this duping glitch has been around for weeks, what can anet really do about it? all the armbraces have probably been "laundered" to such an extent that makes it almost impossible for anet to trace back to the source.

even if a handful of people get their accounts perma-banned, the damage done to high-end trades is going to be permanent.

short of a month rollback, which isnt even realist, anet is in a lose lose situation.

against · Aug 13, 2007, 05:56 AM // 05:56

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Originally Posted by AlienFromBeyond

Yeah, except these dupers aren't really doing anything that would let the armbraces filter down to the rest of the GW population. They're staying high up in ridiculous trade offers.

Yeah, now. Only forum readers and friends of forum readers really know about it. It will be general public knowledge before long. Those Armbraces will have to go somewhere, specifically if A.net is unable to single-out the guilty. I'm sure many have entered common trade already.